Tier 1 Masterpiece! Impressive in every aspect, this A-grade workshop facility, in the heart of Newman's extraordinarily tightly held industrial area, is an absolute stand out. Covering an expansive 4x freehold titles. totaling 8732m2*, offered for s...
Qualified real estate agentBachelor of Business Property
Awards and recognition2018 Highest Office Principal Commercial Sales Producer
Awards and recognitionExecutive Dean’s Medal for outstanding academic achievement
With over 25 years of diverse experience in the property industry and a specialist focus on the Pilbara since 2009, Eliza Mearns is one of the region’s most trusted and accomplished commercial and industrial property professionals.
Eliza’s passion for real estate began early and has driven her to actively invest, study, and work in the field for her entire career. Over the years, she has built an impressive personal investment portfolio of twenty properties and earned a Bachelor of Business (Property) ...
With over 25 years of diverse experience in the property industry and a specialist focus on the Pilbara since 2009, Eliza Mearns is one of the region’s most trusted and accomplished commercial and industrial property professionals.
Eliza’s passion for real estate began early and has driven her to actively invest, study, and work in the field for her entire career. Over the years, she has built an impressive personal investment portfolio of twenty properties and earned a Bachelor of Business (Property) from a leading Sydney university, graduating with distinction and receiving multiple academic honours, including the Executive Dean’s Medal for outstanding achievement. Her awards include highest overall marks in International Property and Valuation of Special Premises, highest average overall mark, and the Australian Property Institute Cash Prize for best performance.
As the owner of Realmark Commercial Pilbara, Eliza leads the market in providing specialist sales, leasing, and property management services for industrial assets across the northwest. Under Eliza’s leadership Realmark Commercial Pilbara has also moved into the residential space, delivering unparalleled property expertise throughout the region, complementing the commercial operations and providing clients with a complete property service offering.
Eliza is highly skilled in delivering complex negotiated outcomes, identifying and accommodating specialised user requirements, and providing creative, tailored solutions in a way that clients find clear and easy to understand. She is known for her depth of knowledge in the Northwest commercial and industrial markets, giving clients the confidence to make well-informed decisions that align with their property goals.
Backed by an expert team and a proven track record, Eliza ensures that partnering with Realmark Commercial Pilbara is not just the best move — it’s the smartest one for anyone seeking success in the Pilbara property market.
High-Impact Location, Endless Possibilities Located in the heart of Port Hedland's key industrial precinct, this centrally located 1.58-hectare industrial land offers a rare opportunity for developers, investors, or large-scale operators. With excell...
Qualified real estate agentBachelor of Business Property
Awards and recognition2018 Highest Office Principal Commercial Sales Producer
Awards and recognitionExecutive Dean’s Medal for outstanding academic achievement
With over 25 years of diverse experience in the property industry and a specialist focus on the Pilbara since 2009, Eliza Mearns is one of the region’s most trusted and accomplished commercial and industrial property professionals.
Eliza’s passion for real estate began early and has driven her to actively invest, study, and work in the field for her entire career. Over the years, she has built an impressive personal investment portfolio of twenty properties and earned a Bachelor of Business (Property) ...
With over 25 years of diverse experience in the property industry and a specialist focus on the Pilbara since 2009, Eliza Mearns is one of the region’s most trusted and accomplished commercial and industrial property professionals.
Eliza’s passion for real estate began early and has driven her to actively invest, study, and work in the field for her entire career. Over the years, she has built an impressive personal investment portfolio of twenty properties and earned a Bachelor of Business (Property) from a leading Sydney university, graduating with distinction and receiving multiple academic honours, including the Executive Dean’s Medal for outstanding achievement. Her awards include highest overall marks in International Property and Valuation of Special Premises, highest average overall mark, and the Australian Property Institute Cash Prize for best performance.
As the owner of Realmark Commercial Pilbara, Eliza leads the market in providing specialist sales, leasing, and property management services for industrial assets across the northwest. Under Eliza’s leadership Realmark Commercial Pilbara has also moved into the residential space, delivering unparalleled property expertise throughout the region, complementing the commercial operations and providing clients with a complete property service offering.
Eliza is highly skilled in delivering complex negotiated outcomes, identifying and accommodating specialised user requirements, and providing creative, tailored solutions in a way that clients find clear and easy to understand. She is known for her depth of knowledge in the Northwest commercial and industrial markets, giving clients the confidence to make well-informed decisions that align with their property goals.
Backed by an expert team and a proven track record, Eliza ensures that partnering with Realmark Commercial Pilbara is not just the best move — it’s the smartest one for anyone seeking success in the Pilbara property market.
3890 Coolawanyah Road, KARRATHA INDUSTRIAL ESTATE WA 6714
Amazing opportunity in the tightly held Karratha Industrial Estate to secure a 10,900 m2 site with substantial workshops and outbuildings. Two double entry gates with substantial drive through access available making this property ideal for road trai...
NOW UNDER OFFER! This prime commercial site is ideally positioned within the thriving Kalamunda Town Centre, surrounded by successful and long established businesses including Kalamunda Toyota (adjoining), childcare centres, and medical groups. The s...
Milestone achievementsCurrent Chairman Commercial Chapter REIWA, Former President of the Australian Property Institute. Record Sales in Balcatta (82 Erindale Rd) $14m and in Joondalup (Quadrangle) $50m
Mike Rowe is one of Perth’s most qualified commercial real estate experts, having honed his skills with international, Australasian and boutique firms close to four decades over all phases of the economic cycle.
He has held senior Director positions for a sustained period and is now operating as Sales Consultant at Realmark in their Metropolitan Industrial team. He has substantial experience in the metropolitan market in Large Format Retail (with Mixed used Commercial and Retail).
He has worked on many projects ...
Mike Rowe is one of Perth’s most qualified commercial real estate experts, having honed his skills with international, Australasian and boutique firms close to four decades over all phases of the economic cycle.
He has held senior Director positions for a sustained period and is now operating as Sales Consultant at Realmark in their Metropolitan Industrial team. He has substantial experience in the metropolitan market in Large Format Retail (with Mixed used Commercial and Retail).
He has worked on many projects in land subdivision, development, landmark properties and with tenant's, owner occupiers and investors.
He was State Chair of the Australian Property Institute (API), and is currently Chairman of the Commercial Chapter of REIWA with ongoing roles.
His experiences demonstrate he has integrity and offers trusted adviser capability to give you the best result you seek. He has vast, deep knowledge and a skillful approach to all facets of commercial sales and leasing across Perth suburbs.
Mike has managed thousands of sales transactions (involving well over several hundred millions of value), secured multiple tenancies, undertaken valuations and provided advice for significant developments throughout Perth and regional Western Australia.
Mike excels at developing successful relationships with institution investors, tenants and developers, managing complex deals and providing strong leadership.
These qualities have enabled him to achieve outstanding results for his clients, which include WA’s land development agency, Dev WA (formerly known as Landcorp).
Situated along Great Eastern Highway sits this fantastic commercial space, sporting an office fit out with storage area, rear roller door access and superb location at the intersection of Tonkin Highway. Highway access to all points of the compass ma...
Awards and recognotionREIWA Awards - Commercial Agency of the year - 2020, Outstanding Sales/Leasing Representative - Realmark 2021, REIWA Awards - Commercial Agency of the year - 2023
With over a decade of experience in the commercial real estate industry, Alex has firmly established himself as a trusted and reliable professional since embarking on his journey in July 2012.
He commenced his career as a Commercial & Industrial Property Sales and Leasing Consultant at a local Midland real estate agency, where his dedication to service excellence and unwavering commitment to customer satisfaction quickly earned him a strong reputation.
In 2018, Alex joined Realmark Commercial as a Commercial Sales & ...
With over a decade of experience in the commercial real estate industry, Alex has firmly established himself as a trusted and reliable professional since embarking on his journey in July 2012.
He commenced his career as a Commercial & Industrial Property Sales and Leasing Consultant at a local Midland real estate agency, where his dedication to service excellence and unwavering commitment to customer satisfaction quickly earned him a strong reputation.
In 2018, Alex joined Realmark Commercial as a Commercial Sales & Leasing consultant. Focused on the Perth East-Metro and surrounding industrial areas, having grown up in the Perth Hills himself, he has a genuine passion for supporting local businesses and investors in achieving their goals.
Throughout his professional journey, Alex has continuously honed his skills in negotiation, property marketing, and effective communication. With an unwavering dedication to delivering the highest standard of service, he ensures that every interaction and transaction is handled with professionalism and care.
Alex has climbed the ranks at Realmark Commercial and now holds the position of Senior Sales and Leasing Associate. One of Alex's greatest strengths lies in his intimate understanding of the local real estate landscape.
Through years of experience and a keen awareness of the key factors influencing decision-making processes, he offers invaluable insights that empower his clients to make informed and strategic real estate choices.
Beyond his professional achievements, Alex is driven by a larger mission: to reshape the public perception of the real estate industry.
As a member of the new generation of real estate professionals, he is dedicated to promoting transparency, ethics, and trustworthiness.
By upholding these values in every interaction and transaction, Alex seeks to elevate the industry's standards and foster stronger relationships with his clients.
With his extensive industry experience, passion for property, and local expertise, Alex stands as the ideal partner to confidently navigate your real estate needs.
With Alex by your side, you can embark on your real estate journey with confidence, knowing that you have a trusted advisor who will champion your interests and deliver exceptional results each step of the way.
I engaged with Alex Taylor on a recent property we purchased and can honsetly report that I am very happy with the service he provided. Any phone call was answered and if he was busy, he would return my call without delay. In this current property market agents have let customer service slide, so the level of attention and professionalism irrespective of the market was refreshing. I really couldnt have asked for a better agent to do the deal with and I would happily engage with him again.
Realmark Commercial is pleased to exclusively present 136 Burswood Road to the market for sale - a rare opportunity to acquire a versatile freestanding property in one of Perth's most dynamic city-fringe suburbs. Zoned Mixed Use, this property offers...
Daniel brings seven years of high-performance sales and leadership experience to his role, with a passion for creating impactful connections and building long-term relationships evident in his work.
Adopting a business partner mentality, he ensures strong communication and is committed to delivering an unrivaled customer experience.
His extensive industry experience equips him with the knowledge and insight necessary to support Realmark Commercial's clients in navigating the intricacies of the industry and maximising market opportunities.
Daniel's dedication to exceptional outcomes stems from ...
Daniel brings seven years of high-performance sales and leadership experience to his role, with a passion for creating impactful connections and building long-term relationships evident in his work.
Adopting a business partner mentality, he ensures strong communication and is committed to delivering an unrivaled customer experience.
His extensive industry experience equips him with the knowledge and insight necessary to support Realmark Commercial's clients in navigating the intricacies of the industry and maximising market opportunities.
Daniel's dedication to exceptional outcomes stems from his passion for people, not just property, making him a valuable asset to the Realmark Industrial team.
We couldn't be more pleased with the service we received from Daniel in selling our commercial property in Willetton. From the start, he demonstrated professionalism, deep local market knowledge, and clear communication. He kept us informed every step of the way and delivered a smooth sales process. We felt confident in his expertise and appreciated his dedication to getting the best outcome. Highly recommend Daniel for anyone looking to sell or lease their commercial property!
Michael joins the Realmark Industrial team as a Commercial Sales and Leasing C and Property and Real Estate with a Finance major at Deakin University in Melbourne.
Straight out of university, he spent 3.5 years completing a variety of transactions in Industrial Real Estate with Rutherfords in Melbourne, ranging from 100-5000m2.
Boasting a drive to suconsultant with a breadth of experience in the property industry and a dedication to his craft.
Before beginning his career in Perth, Michael completed a ...
Michael joins the Realmark Industrial team as a Commercial Sales and Leasing C and Property and Real Estate with a Finance major at Deakin University in Melbourne.
Straight out of university, he spent 3.5 years completing a variety of transactions in Industrial Real Estate with Rutherfords in Melbourne, ranging from 100-5000m2.
Boasting a drive to suconsultant with a breadth of experience in the property industry and a dedication to his craft.
Before beginning his career in Perth, Michael completed a double degree in Commerceceed and a commitment to delivering the best service to his clients, Michael enjoys seeing people live out their dreams, upscale operations and grow their organisations.
Additionally, creating a positive first impression and creating customers and relationships for life.
In his down time, Michael loves everything sport related and hanging out with his mates.
Now available: eight newly released industrial lots in the highly anticipated Stage 4 of DevelopmentWA's Hedland Junction, located in the heart of Wedgefield's growing industrial precinct. Prime Location Strategically positioned with direct access to...
Rob’s experience has developed from his tenure in senior management roles for national retailers, managing large teams across multiple states.
To significant time in transaction based roles in Brisbane’s growing northern industrial corridor, and as a tenant representative, securing deals with institutional-based landlords on behalf of some national retailers.
This diverse range of experience gives him a clear understanding of strategic planning, business development, sales growth, and logistics that are all unique to the WA market, as well as a wide national ...
Rob’s experience has developed from his tenure in senior management roles for national retailers, managing large teams across multiple states.
To significant time in transaction based roles in Brisbane’s growing northern industrial corridor, and as a tenant representative, securing deals with institutional-based landlords on behalf of some national retailers.
This diverse range of experience gives him a clear understanding of strategic planning, business development, sales growth, and logistics that are all unique to the WA market, as well as a wide national network to leverage from.
Rob prides himself on providing his clients with expert advice, backed by data-driven information to ultimately ensure his clients can make educated decisions on their property portfolio. Rob has great skills in commercial negotiation and client service, and is committed to working alongside owners throughout the sales and leasing process to exceed their expectations.
Rob has also spent time living in Sydney, Brisbane and the US, and in his travels has developed the skills to build strong professional relationships with a wide network across the country.
Occupy or Invest - fully leased - $338,000* net pa, returning 10.91%* net. This supreme investment opportunity is located in the heart of Newman's busy and super tightly held industrial area in an elevated position, on a prime, high profile corner si...
Qualified real estate agentBachelor of Business Property
Awards and recognition2018 Highest Office Principal Commercial Sales Producer
Awards and recognitionExecutive Dean’s Medal for outstanding academic achievement
With over 25 years of diverse experience in the property industry and a specialist focus on the Pilbara since 2009, Eliza Mearns is one of the region’s most trusted and accomplished commercial and industrial property professionals.
Eliza’s passion for real estate began early and has driven her to actively invest, study, and work in the field for her entire career. Over the years, she has built an impressive personal investment portfolio of twenty properties and earned a Bachelor of Business (Property) ...
With over 25 years of diverse experience in the property industry and a specialist focus on the Pilbara since 2009, Eliza Mearns is one of the region’s most trusted and accomplished commercial and industrial property professionals.
Eliza’s passion for real estate began early and has driven her to actively invest, study, and work in the field for her entire career. Over the years, she has built an impressive personal investment portfolio of twenty properties and earned a Bachelor of Business (Property) from a leading Sydney university, graduating with distinction and receiving multiple academic honours, including the Executive Dean’s Medal for outstanding achievement. Her awards include highest overall marks in International Property and Valuation of Special Premises, highest average overall mark, and the Australian Property Institute Cash Prize for best performance.
As the owner of Realmark Commercial Pilbara, Eliza leads the market in providing specialist sales, leasing, and property management services for industrial assets across the northwest. Under Eliza’s leadership Realmark Commercial Pilbara has also moved into the residential space, delivering unparalleled property expertise throughout the region, complementing the commercial operations and providing clients with a complete property service offering.
Eliza is highly skilled in delivering complex negotiated outcomes, identifying and accommodating specialised user requirements, and providing creative, tailored solutions in a way that clients find clear and easy to understand. She is known for her depth of knowledge in the Northwest commercial and industrial markets, giving clients the confidence to make well-informed decisions that align with their property goals.
Backed by an expert team and a proven track record, Eliza ensures that partnering with Realmark Commercial Pilbara is not just the best move — it’s the smartest one for anyone seeking success in the Pilbara property market.
High-Impact Location, Endless Possibilities Located in the heart of Port Hedland's key industrial precinct, this centrally located 1.58-hectare industrial land offers a rare opportunity for developers, investors, or large-scale operators. With excell...
Qualified real estate agentBachelor of Business Property
Awards and recognition2018 Highest Office Principal Commercial Sales Producer
Awards and recognitionExecutive Dean’s Medal for outstanding academic achievement
With over 25 years of diverse experience in the property industry and a specialist focus on the Pilbara since 2009, Eliza Mearns is one of the region’s most trusted and accomplished commercial and industrial property professionals.
Eliza’s passion for real estate began early and has driven her to actively invest, study, and work in the field for her entire career. Over the years, she has built an impressive personal investment portfolio of twenty properties and earned a Bachelor of Business (Property) ...
With over 25 years of diverse experience in the property industry and a specialist focus on the Pilbara since 2009, Eliza Mearns is one of the region’s most trusted and accomplished commercial and industrial property professionals.
Eliza’s passion for real estate began early and has driven her to actively invest, study, and work in the field for her entire career. Over the years, she has built an impressive personal investment portfolio of twenty properties and earned a Bachelor of Business (Property) from a leading Sydney university, graduating with distinction and receiving multiple academic honours, including the Executive Dean’s Medal for outstanding achievement. Her awards include highest overall marks in International Property and Valuation of Special Premises, highest average overall mark, and the Australian Property Institute Cash Prize for best performance.
As the owner of Realmark Commercial Pilbara, Eliza leads the market in providing specialist sales, leasing, and property management services for industrial assets across the northwest. Under Eliza’s leadership Realmark Commercial Pilbara has also moved into the residential space, delivering unparalleled property expertise throughout the region, complementing the commercial operations and providing clients with a complete property service offering.
Eliza is highly skilled in delivering complex negotiated outcomes, identifying and accommodating specialised user requirements, and providing creative, tailored solutions in a way that clients find clear and easy to understand. She is known for her depth of knowledge in the Northwest commercial and industrial markets, giving clients the confidence to make well-informed decisions that align with their property goals.
Backed by an expert team and a proven track record, Eliza ensures that partnering with Realmark Commercial Pilbara is not just the best move — it’s the smartest one for anyone seeking success in the Pilbara property market.
Exclusive agents, Realmark Commercial are pleased to present to market 68 Petra Street, Palmyra for sale via expression of interest closing 16th of October 2025 at 4pm. This green title two story office building boasts 8 tenancies split across a tota...
Fletcher commenced his real estate career in valuations at a government agency and then transitioned to a Research Analyst role in commercial real estate. He later worked at a well renowned international property firm in the Retail Investments team, where he was involved in negotiating and executing sales and leases for his clients.
Before commencing his career in real estate Fletcher obtained a high distinction in Property Development and Valuation at Curtin University. Currently he is studying his Master’s of Professional ...
Fletcher commenced his real estate career in valuations at a government agency and then transitioned to a Research Analyst role in commercial real estate. He later worked at a well renowned international property firm in the Retail Investments team, where he was involved in negotiating and executing sales and leases for his clients.
Before commencing his career in real estate Fletcher obtained a high distinction in Property Development and Valuation at Curtin University. Currently he is studying his Master’s of Professional Accounting at the University of Western Australia.
Boasting a drive to succeed and a commitment to delivering the best service to his clients, Fletcher enjoys designing new concepts and strategic tenancy mixes that compliment their community and each other.
As a Realmark Sales and Leasing Associate, Fletcher has built a strong network of professional relationships with many notable clients such as Woolworths, Hesperia, QUBE, M Group, Blackburne, Firmus Capital and DevWest. He has worked on multiple development projects such as Parafield District Outlet Centre, Woolworths Inglewood, Electric Lane, Victoria House and is currently working on some developments in Mirrabooka, Safety Bay, Mandurah & Spearwood.
In his spare time, Fletcher enjoys playing football, cricket and competing in long distance endurance events. He also competed in the Rottnest Channel Solo Swim on multiple occasions, raising money for the Swim For Proudie Foundation.
This high profile, modern commercial unit, is in an absolute prime, centre of town location. Positioned within the CBD group of commercial units which is home to Coles. Rarely offered, this presents as a stand out buying opportunity to owner occupier...
Qualified real estate agentBachelor of Business Property
Awards and recognition2018 Highest Office Principal Commercial Sales Producer
Awards and recognitionExecutive Dean’s Medal for outstanding academic achievement
With over 25 years of diverse experience in the property industry and a specialist focus on the Pilbara since 2009, Eliza Mearns is one of the region’s most trusted and accomplished commercial and industrial property professionals.
Eliza’s passion for real estate began early and has driven her to actively invest, study, and work in the field for her entire career. Over the years, she has built an impressive personal investment portfolio of twenty properties and earned a Bachelor of Business (Property) ...
With over 25 years of diverse experience in the property industry and a specialist focus on the Pilbara since 2009, Eliza Mearns is one of the region’s most trusted and accomplished commercial and industrial property professionals.
Eliza’s passion for real estate began early and has driven her to actively invest, study, and work in the field for her entire career. Over the years, she has built an impressive personal investment portfolio of twenty properties and earned a Bachelor of Business (Property) from a leading Sydney university, graduating with distinction and receiving multiple academic honours, including the Executive Dean’s Medal for outstanding achievement. Her awards include highest overall marks in International Property and Valuation of Special Premises, highest average overall mark, and the Australian Property Institute Cash Prize for best performance.
As the owner of Realmark Commercial Pilbara, Eliza leads the market in providing specialist sales, leasing, and property management services for industrial assets across the northwest. Under Eliza’s leadership Realmark Commercial Pilbara has also moved into the residential space, delivering unparalleled property expertise throughout the region, complementing the commercial operations and providing clients with a complete property service offering.
Eliza is highly skilled in delivering complex negotiated outcomes, identifying and accommodating specialised user requirements, and providing creative, tailored solutions in a way that clients find clear and easy to understand. She is known for her depth of knowledge in the Northwest commercial and industrial markets, giving clients the confidence to make well-informed decisions that align with their property goals.
Backed by an expert team and a proven track record, Eliza ensures that partnering with Realmark Commercial Pilbara is not just the best move — it’s the smartest one for anyone seeking success in the Pilbara property market.
Realmark Commercial are pleased to present to market for sale Unit 2/52 Erindale Road, Balcatta via a Set Date Sale campaign closing 4:00pm (AWST) Wednesday 27th August. The property comprises of 253 sqm strata titled showroom with an adjoining 90sqm...
Alix has developed her property expertise over 9 years working for various property firms in Perth, initially as a sales and leasing administration professional where she developed a strong industry understanding of retail leasing practices and contract documentation processes.
She has now worked on a range of high profile commercial leasing projects, including the Parafield District Factory Outlet in Adelaide, Kingsford Village Shopping Centre in Bullsbrook, the Victoria House redevelopment, Altone Park Shopping Centre and Phoenix Shopping Centre.
Known for ...
Alix has developed her property expertise over 9 years working for various property firms in Perth, initially as a sales and leasing administration professional where she developed a strong industry understanding of retail leasing practices and contract documentation processes.
She has now worked on a range of high profile commercial leasing projects, including the Parafield District Factory Outlet in Adelaide, Kingsford Village Shopping Centre in Bullsbrook, the Victoria House redevelopment, Altone Park Shopping Centre and Phoenix Shopping Centre.
Known for her strategic approach in sales and leasing, Alix strives to develop innovative solutions that enhance property performance and value.
Demonstrating an unwavering commitment to excellence in all aspects of her work, Alix is dedicated to achieving the best possible outcomes in every transaction.
Following completing sale of our premises at 34 Ellen Stirling Parade I would like to take the opportunity personally to thank you for overseeing a brilliant outcome. Great outcomes do not happen by accident. Your attention to detail, enthusiasm for the task, timely follow up and amiable demeanour was a pleasure to deal with.
Tracey and I would highly recommend you to others looking to sell their properties and are more than happy for you to utilise this recommendation as a testimonial with potential clients.
Well done and many thanks again for your tireless efforts.
Michael joins the Realmark Industrial team as a Commercial Sales and Leasing C and Property and Real Estate with a Finance major at Deakin University in Melbourne.
Straight out of university, he spent 3.5 years completing a variety of transactions in Industrial Real Estate with Rutherfords in Melbourne, ranging from 100-5000m2.
Boasting a drive to suconsultant with a breadth of experience in the property industry and a dedication to his craft.
Before beginning his career in Perth, Michael completed a ...
Michael joins the Realmark Industrial team as a Commercial Sales and Leasing C and Property and Real Estate with a Finance major at Deakin University in Melbourne.
Straight out of university, he spent 3.5 years completing a variety of transactions in Industrial Real Estate with Rutherfords in Melbourne, ranging from 100-5000m2.
Boasting a drive to suconsultant with a breadth of experience in the property industry and a dedication to his craft.
Before beginning his career in Perth, Michael completed a double degree in Commerceceed and a commitment to delivering the best service to his clients, Michael enjoys seeing people live out their dreams, upscale operations and grow their organisations.
Additionally, creating a positive first impression and creating customers and relationships for life.
In his down time, Michael loves everything sport related and hanging out with his mates.